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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ghafar_</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghafar_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was seeing a guy for a short while. I am diabetic and have severe medical issues. I was with him only a small amount of time before I had to tell him that if he did not wish to seek professional help from a psychiatrist that I would have to leave him as a result of his severe depression and suicidal thoughts. I gave him a month and after he still refused I left him. Shortly after I found out I was pregnant. I was terrified. I am only 23 and I felt he had the right to know. He told me right away to have an abortion. I told him that was not a choice I felt comfortable in making. I asked him if he would give me a sum of money to help me pay for child items PRENATAL such as medications like folic acid and diabetic items. He obliged an he signed a piece of paper on a bank statement, at the bank in front of cameras that says he is giving me not loaning me the money for prenatial before birth care. I plan to use the money to get to my many doctors appointments since I have no car and live in the country away from all the doctors. He is now saying that he wants the money back and that he wants to see the baby. . . My thoughts are this, and I&#039;m only looking for the opinions of people, if I wasn&#039;t concerned with the best interest of the child I wouldn&#039;t ask. If the father has a severe mental health issue, refuses to get help, and now is trying to go after me legally for money he gave me, but wants to see the child...what right&#039;s do I have in protecting myself and the unborn baby? I have 7-8 months of pregnancy to go and already I am very ill, it&#039;s painful, it&#039;s scary, I live alone and he is not supporting me except for the financial pay he gave me, now he wants it back. Legally I have no reason to give it back, and if i do he may still come after me for the child. But how fair is it for a mother to have to go through nine months of hell alone, while still having to work, clean, cook and take care of her health, then give painful birth, and then have a father or sperm donor in this case walk in and declare he has rights? His family will support him in his decisions. My family has been supportive in mine. He will not speak to me, and I see this as being unstable right from the start. If he can&#039;t communicate to me that he needs some space to think how will he ever communicate visits with my child? How can I work with someone who is not communicating? How do I protect myself and the child BEFORE it is born? I don&#039;t want to have a little baby that I have worked so hard for for 9 months be born and then have him able to barge in and take the infant for the weekend..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was seeing a guy for a short while. I am diabetic and have severe medical issues. I was with him only a small amount of time before I had to tell him that if he did not wish to seek professional help from a psychiatrist that I would have to leave him as a result of his severe depression and suicidal thoughts. I gave him a month and after he still refused I left him. Shortly after I found out I was pregnant. I was terrified. I am only 23 and I felt he had the right to know. He told me right away to have an abortion. I told him that was not a choice I felt comfortable in making. I asked him if he would give me a sum of money to help me pay for child items PRENATAL such as medications like folic acid and diabetic items. He obliged an he signed a piece of paper on a bank statement, at the bank in front of cameras that says he is giving me not loaning me the money for prenatial before birth care. I plan to use the money to get to my many doctors appointments since I have no car and live in the country away from all the doctors. He is now saying that he wants the money back and that he wants to see the baby. . . My thoughts are this, and I&#8217;m only looking for the opinions of people, if I wasn&#8217;t concerned with the best interest of the child I wouldn&#8217;t ask. If the father has a severe mental health issue, refuses to get help, and now is trying to go after me legally for money he gave me, but wants to see the child&#8230;what right&#8217;s do I have in protecting myself and the unborn baby? I have 7-8 months of pregnancy to go and already I am very ill, it&#8217;s painful, it&#8217;s scary, I live alone and he is not supporting me except for the financial pay he gave me, now he wants it back. Legally I have no reason to give it back, and if i do he may still come after me for the child. But how fair is it for a mother to have to go through nine months of hell alone, while still having to work, clean, cook and take care of her health, then give painful birth, and then have a father or sperm donor in this case walk in and declare he has rights? His family will support him in his decisions. My family has been supportive in mine. He will not speak to me, and I see this as being unstable right from the start. If he can&#8217;t communicate to me that he needs some space to think how will he ever communicate visits with my child? How can I work with someone who is not communicating? How do I protect myself and the child BEFORE it is born? I don&#8217;t want to have a little baby that I have worked so hard for for 9 months be born and then have him able to barge in and take the infant for the weekend..</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say crowd funding is _exactly_ the goldmine of internet filmmaking, only it&#039;s the Realistic Version™ of it: it takes an enormous amount of work to find some gold, and while some will strike it rich, most will never make a fortune. Oh, and it&#039;s gonna cause a gold rush any day now, when people realize what it can do when it does work... ;)

Seriously though, here&#039;s an outside perspective on the Race:

- I very much agree with some of the reasons you quote for its lack of success - multiple platforms definitely does not help, it really &quot;dilutes&quot; the sense of focused targeting of a specific goal (which I think is essential in galvanizing massive response); also, people get turned off in a major way when the goal targeted seems unrealistic - working with sums the size of your budget you may conceivably have lost the sense of perspective on this, but 300.000€ (even 50.000€!) is a huge amount of money in crowd-funding terms, and honestly I for one never expected you to get anywhere near that total - and not because I don&#039;t believe in you guys - I really do. But that was never realistic, people felt it, and that didn&#039;t help.

- I think approaching the crowd in a humble manner is essential and goes a long way. A certain Spanish production which had the misfortune of being let down by a major investor at the last moment did in fact manage to raise a sum quite comparable to 50.000€ in a matter of days instead of months in the same timeframe, while being (I&#039;d say) a lot less visible (and certainly younger) than you guys are. However, their approach was quite different from the race&#039;s &quot;Good news everyone! We&#039;ll allow you to give us a several truckloads of money, &#039;cause we kinda need some more!&quot; - well, at least that&#039;s how it sounded to me, anyway. They had emotional appeal, you did not.

- Another thing those guys learned was that 1000€ is a rather high barrier of entry for potential &quot;investors&quot; - much many more are willing to spend some money (even if they might not care about the actual investment part) if the threshold was lower, much lower (in the 100-200-300€ range). I strongly believe they would have got nowhere with their plea if they had a lower limit of 1000€ (as they originally did, for investment). This does not directly apply of course to the Race where that limit did not exist, but it does very much apply to the &quot;investment&quot; section of crowd funding.

- Crowd funding is _not_ a tap that one can turn on every time funding is short, nobody - and I mean nobody - should take it for granted. One might get people enthused over a promising production and cash in on that quite nicely with a bit of luck, but I think a second or third round of &quot;hey, there&#039;s a small problem&quot; is more likely to be met with a feeling of &quot;come on, I didn&#039;t apply for a subscription, I funded you guys once already&quot;. Again, I might well be wrong on this, but I do think that if the budget cannot be secured in one go, multiple rounds of funding need a _very_ careful approach if they stand any chance of succeeding.

I certainly hope you guys don&#039;t take all this for what it&#039;s not - it&#039;s just the insight of a simple fan, not a critique, and definitely not malicious. I&#039;m very much looking forward to see Iron Sky finished and in the theaters worldwide...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say crowd funding is _exactly_ the goldmine of internet filmmaking, only it&#8217;s the Realistic Version™ of it: it takes an enormous amount of work to find some gold, and while some will strike it rich, most will never make a fortune. Oh, and it&#8217;s gonna cause a gold rush any day now, when people realize what it can do when it does work&#8230; ;)</p>
<p>Seriously though, here&#8217;s an outside perspective on the Race:</p>
<p>- I very much agree with some of the reasons you quote for its lack of success &#8211; multiple platforms definitely does not help, it really &#8220;dilutes&#8221; the sense of focused targeting of a specific goal (which I think is essential in galvanizing massive response); also, people get turned off in a major way when the goal targeted seems unrealistic &#8211; working with sums the size of your budget you may conceivably have lost the sense of perspective on this, but 300.000€ (even 50.000€!) is a huge amount of money in crowd-funding terms, and honestly I for one never expected you to get anywhere near that total &#8211; and not because I don&#8217;t believe in you guys &#8211; I really do. But that was never realistic, people felt it, and that didn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>- I think approaching the crowd in a humble manner is essential and goes a long way. A certain Spanish production which had the misfortune of being let down by a major investor at the last moment did in fact manage to raise a sum quite comparable to 50.000€ in a matter of days instead of months in the same timeframe, while being (I&#8217;d say) a lot less visible (and certainly younger) than you guys are. However, their approach was quite different from the race&#8217;s &#8220;Good news everyone! We&#8217;ll allow you to give us a several truckloads of money, &#8217;cause we kinda need some more!&#8221; &#8211; well, at least that&#8217;s how it sounded to me, anyway. They had emotional appeal, you did not.</p>
<p>- Another thing those guys learned was that 1000€ is a rather high barrier of entry for potential &#8220;investors&#8221; &#8211; much many more are willing to spend some money (even if they might not care about the actual investment part) if the threshold was lower, much lower (in the 100-200-300€ range). I strongly believe they would have got nowhere with their plea if they had a lower limit of 1000€ (as they originally did, for investment). This does not directly apply of course to the Race where that limit did not exist, but it does very much apply to the &#8220;investment&#8221; section of crowd funding.</p>
<p>- Crowd funding is _not_ a tap that one can turn on every time funding is short, nobody &#8211; and I mean nobody &#8211; should take it for granted. One might get people enthused over a promising production and cash in on that quite nicely with a bit of luck, but I think a second or third round of &#8220;hey, there&#8217;s a small problem&#8221; is more likely to be met with a feeling of &#8220;come on, I didn&#8217;t apply for a subscription, I funded you guys once already&#8221;. Again, I might well be wrong on this, but I do think that if the budget cannot be secured in one go, multiple rounds of funding need a _very_ careful approach if they stand any chance of succeeding.</p>
<p>I certainly hope you guys don&#8217;t take all this for what it&#8217;s not &#8211; it&#8217;s just the insight of a simple fan, not a critique, and definitely not malicious. I&#8217;m very much looking forward to see Iron Sky finished and in the theaters worldwide&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 03:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!

I wanted to ask you one thing - what was the reaction of people who gave you the money in keep-it-all model portals, when they knew that you didn&#039;t get the needed amount, meaning for them - your project might not succeed?

My friend is thinking about seeking fundings for his first album on a crowd-funding website, but we are worried, if there will be no troubles, no harsh reactions from people who might gave us their support.</description>
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<p>I wanted to ask you one thing &#8211; what was the reaction of people who gave you the money in keep-it-all model portals, when they knew that you didn&#8217;t get the needed amount, meaning for them &#8211; your project might not succeed?</p>
<p>My friend is thinking about seeking fundings for his first album on a crowd-funding website, but we are worried, if there will be no troubles, no harsh reactions from people who might gave us their support.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha! Okay, but well it&#039;s sort of visible though. ;) As a pending transaction. Because I don&#039;t think you&#039;d make it before.

Maybe add an update or a footnote under the picture about it! 

I really liked this post anyhow :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha! Okay, but well it&#8217;s sort of visible though. ;) As a pending transaction. Because I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d make it before.</p>
<p>Maybe add an update or a footnote under the picture about it! </p>
<p>I really liked this post anyhow :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jarmo Puskala</title>
		<link>http://blog.starwreck.com/2011/06/14/the-race-was-good-but-the-road-was-bad-part-1-3/comment-page-1/#comment-315494</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarmo Puskala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria: True, the race page number is the correct one. Timo had made that graphic in the beginning of the month before last month&#039;s revenue from Flattr was visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria: True, the race page number is the correct one. Timo had made that graphic in the beginning of the month before last month&#8217;s revenue from Flattr was visible.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://blog.starwreck.com/2011/06/14/the-race-was-good-but-the-road-was-bad-part-1-3/comment-page-1/#comment-314971</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks to me like you&#039;ve given one number here for Flattr revenue and one on &quot;the race&quot; page. The race numer is higher than it is here! Bit confusing.

Good that you learned something from it, and I hope you&#039;ll stay around on Flattr. :) We&#039;ll feature this post in this weeks weekly review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me like you&#8217;ve given one number here for Flattr revenue and one on &#8220;the race&#8221; page. The race numer is higher than it is here! Bit confusing.</p>
<p>Good that you learned something from it, and I hope you&#8217;ll stay around on Flattr. :) We&#8217;ll feature this post in this weeks weekly review.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelle Wessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelle Wessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting additional number would be to see how many donations you got from the different services and thus how big the average donation was.

I imagine that it differs a lot - some platforms are better suited for bigger donations and others for smaller and choosing a good combination of the both that enables both types of supporters to take part probably makes it easier to reach ones goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting additional number would be to see how many donations you got from the different services and thus how big the average donation was.</p>
<p>I imagine that it differs a lot &#8211; some platforms are better suited for bigger donations and others for smaller and choosing a good combination of the both that enables both types of supporters to take part probably makes it easier to reach ones goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo Vuorensola</title>
		<link>http://blog.starwreck.com/2011/06/14/the-race-was-good-but-the-road-was-bad-part-1-3/comment-page-1/#comment-314295</link>
		<dc:creator>Timo Vuorensola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really wanted to get Kickstarter working, but probelm is that you need to have a US bank account to set that up. We tried to organize something with our US partners, but that turned out to be too big a hassle, and we dropped it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really wanted to get Kickstarter working, but probelm is that you need to have a US bank account to set that up. We tried to organize something with our US partners, but that turned out to be too big a hassle, and we dropped it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely true!
Americans often come up with great internet platforms, but some need to realize there are also creative people living across the pond!

I&#039;m a little disappointed many people don&#039;t realize the importance of post production. Actually, shooting a film means baking the bricks and post productions means building a house with those bricks.
And this can&#039;t be emphasized enough for a film like this with so many greenscreen shots where during initial editing you don&#039;t even have proper images that come close to the final film.
And don&#039;t forget sound design. If you see a cool spaceship but only hear a reverberating sound stage, it simply doesn&#039;t work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true!<br />
Americans often come up with great internet platforms, but some need to realize there are also creative people living across the pond!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little disappointed many people don&#8217;t realize the importance of post production. Actually, shooting a film means baking the bricks and post productions means building a house with those bricks.<br />
And this can&#8217;t be emphasized enough for a film like this with so many greenscreen shots where during initial editing you don&#8217;t even have proper images that come close to the final film.<br />
And don&#8217;t forget sound design. If you see a cool spaceship but only hear a reverberating sound stage, it simply doesn&#8217;t work!</p>
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